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Dr Mary Barson (0:04) Hello, my lovely friends. I am Dr Mary Barson.
Dr Lucy Burns (0:09) And I'm Dr Lucy Burns. We are doctors and weight management and metabolic health experts.
Both (0:16) And this is the Real Health and Weight Loss podcast!
Dr Lucy Burns (0:17) Good morning, my gorgeous friend. How are you this morning? It's a beautiful Tuesday in Melbourne, so hot. And I am joined by this gorgeous woman. And no, it's not Dr Mary. It's a special guest. I have with me, Jackie Curry. Now, Jackie is a phenomenal woman. She's an incredible businesswoman that I actually met at a conference where I was doing a segment on, you know, looking after yourself, looking after your health in New Zealand. And we connected and she's got a great, wonderful story. She's a Samoan woman living in New Zealand, working with business in Dubai, and all over the world, phenomenally successful but needed a little bit of help with her health. So I am pleased to share her story with you today because I think you'll find it inspiring. Jackie, welcome to the podcast.
Jackie Curry (01:13) Good morning. Talofa lava, Dr Lucy. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
Dr Lucy Burns (01:19) Good morning. Do you know what I love about you, Jackie, is that you always kind of acknowledge your heritage, you've always got, so for those of you who aren't watching the video, Jackie always wears a flower in her hair every time I've seen her, middle of the night, morning, anytime. She's got this beautiful island flower in her hair. She always uses her native language for greetings. And I just think, you know, reminding yourself of your own culture and roots is so important and valuable.
Jackie Curry (01:50) Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much, Dr Lucy, for acknowledging that. And, yes, I like to think of myself as a modern-day Moana navigating the seas of business.
Dr Lucy Burns (02:03) I love that, a modern-day Moana. In fact, there's a Moana second, part two, is coming out this weekend, so it is very, very timely. Gorgeous one, tell us a little bit about yourself. So, you know, it's fascinating, you know, Samoa, New Zealand, world. Tell me about that.
Jackie Curry (02:25) Awesome. Thanks, Dr Lucy. So, yes, so as mentioned, my name is Jackie Currie. I also hold a title of Masanga from my grandmother's village, Fastotai, so just to acknowledge my country of Samoa, my family. And, yes, so very proud to be from Samoa, grew up in Samoa in a business family and very much have been involved in business my whole life. And, yes, lived in New Zealand, and raised my children there. They've now moved on. I'm sure, Dr Lucy, you have a lot of women in my shoes, like empty nesters trying to, like, figure out life without, you know, children at home and, like, oh, my gosh, all of a sudden, I call it I'm living my 20s, in my 40s. A positive spin on it because it's like, oh, my gosh, I've been raising children since I was 22 years old. So, yeah, I'm kind of moving into that stage of life. I'm a business coach or strategist, and consultant. I run business programs. I've been helping Pacific people in New Zealand in particular and in the Pacific region to, yeah, how to run their businesses and just helping them with, I guess, growing their businesses, starting businesses. And, yes, so with meeting you at the Female Fusion Conference in New Zealand, Dr Lucy, I was blown away, to be honest, by your presentation. So I'm excited to talk about that experience today and that journey that I've been on the last few weeks with being on your program and just, yeah, finally finding the answers to my questions with, you know, all the changes that we go through as women at this golden age, as you call it, of our lives.
Dr Lucy Burns (04:32) Absolutely. Absolutely. I guess for you lovelies at home, the talk that I did was really, I guess, talking to people about the fact that we, most of us, work hard, really hard all our lives, you know, planning for the golden, the glory years as I love to call them, the, you know, retirement where you get to reap the rewards of your hard work. Except that we're finding in this day and age many people get to that point and then they get sick. They're unwell, they've got chronic disease. Instead of spending their money gallivanting around the country, they're spending it on pills and potions and walking frames and operations and doctor's appointments and physio reviews and OT assessments and all of these things that really we can avoid if we just take a few simple steps. So I'd love to know, Jack, what resonated with you in that talk then?
Jackie Curry (05:33) Yes, there were two parts. One was the woodshed example. I can't forget about the woodshed, the locked woodshed. That was a kind of defining moment when you explained, you know, with everything going on with your hormones and your body, like, holding on to that, you know, storage of that fat like nothing and it just kind of hit me because, you know, through my life I've always kind of been up and down with my weight and my health, you know, focused on my health and then, you know, falling off the bandwagon. But I've always been able to get back on it in my 20s and 30s. I was really good at, like, you know, the good old challenges, dropping weight through just going to the gym and controlling my eating. And then boom, the next minute.
Dr Lucy Burns (06:25) Yes. We call that dieting. The whole I'll do it, I'll be good, good, good, good, good for a bit. Yes. And then not so good.
Jackie Curry (06:39) Yeah. So I was on and off that bandwagon. And then all of a sudden I turned 39 and I was, you know, I wasn't quite, you know, exercising, eating well and all that. And then all of a sudden I just started to unexplainably put on weight. And I always remember it was like 89, 90, and then it just kept going up all of a sudden for the first time in my life, including when I carried my children, I hit 100 kgs. And I'm like saying that out loud. I've never said that publicly. And it was just like, oh, my gosh. And I just felt like it was a spiral that was happening. I had no idea why I was feeling so bad. You know, tried all sorts of crash diets and pills and everything because I didn't understand what was going on. And there wasn't a lot of information out there. Like I've always been someone, if you show me how to do it, I can do it, you know, in terms of, you know, weight loss and my health, general health as well. And so, yes, I spent pretty much from 39 to 44. I'm now 44 years old. I've just been like researching and trying to find an answer and a way to get on top of my health and control my weight gain. And, you know, like it was just such a huge change in my body type as well. Like everything, clothes just didn't fit anymore. And I just felt almost like I'd lost something because it was like only a year before when I looked at photos and I could like wear this dress. And, you know, and I've always been someone that I love. I love fashion. I love dressing up. Yeah, so it really affected me that period of time. So when you came up with the woodshed example, I felt like jumping up for joy, like, oh, my gosh, Dr Lucy's finally given me the answer to this question or this information I've been searching for on why my body has just been retaining this weight. And I just want to say as well that, you know, in the last 18 months, I've been very active at the gym and I've done three challenges at my gym and literally like by the end of an eight-week challenge, maybe I lost 1 kg and put so much work in and haven't dropped the weight. Maybe my body changed a little bit, but that scale, you know, just didn't want to move. So the woodshed was really like a light bulb moment for me.
Dr Lucy Burns (09:57) Yeah. And I think the thing that people don't appreciate in general, and this can be often gym trainers in particular, is insulin resistance. And that's the woodshed analogy that explains insulin resistance. So again, for those of you who are thinking, what is she talking about with the woodshed? The woodshed is this concept that when your blood insulin levels are high, your fat stores are locked away like they're in a woodshed with a big fat padlock on them or 10 big fat padlocks, depending on how insulin resistant you are. And the thing is that the level of insulin resistance varies between people. So you can have two women eating exactly the same food, doing exactly the same training, and one will lose weight easily and one won't. And the one that doesn't, it's all about the insulin. So the thing that is very tricky is that we know Pacific Island people are much more prone to insulin resistance, as are New Zealand Maori people, Australian Indigenous people, and Torres Strait Islander people. And it's really the root cause of the chronic disease that is really inflicting these people and giving them not just, you know, a little bit of extra roll around your middle, but severe illnesses, you know, that are really robbing their lives.
Jackie Curry (11:34) Absolutely. Dr Lucy, that's what really hit me the most as well it wasn't just about weight loss. You talked about how by not doing something about it and insulin resistance, first of all, and understanding, I was like, oh, my gosh, that's what's going on with my body. And then when you went on to talk about the chronic disease it leads to, I was sitting there thinking about my older, like, aunties and, you know, family members, Pacific Island women I knew that, you know, worked so hard their whole lives and are getting a chronic disease, like, in their 60s, you know, and then their blood sugar levels, as you said, are going up. And it's just I feel like there's not a lot of understanding about what's happening with women in my community. And also with the insulin resistance, I actually went to ask the doctor if I could take that test and discovered that they don't cover it unless you are predisposed to diabetes or you're at high risk of diabetes. So my doctor actually told me, oh, you have to go and request and pay for that test if you want it. And here I am sitting here thinking five years of going to my GP and getting tests to find out what's going on with me. And now through learning about insulin resistance, now I know why we're not getting tested because it's, you know, like I said, like that's what my doctor told me. So I did go and inquire with the lab about it. And, yeah, anyway, I left New Zealand because, as you know, I'm here in Dubai doing business at the moment. So as soon as I get back, I'm going to take that test. The only thing is I've already started on your program. I would have loved to have known where I was at in the beginning. But these are the things for any of our Pacific Island women listening or our women in general is just know that this test to find out if you're insulin resistant in New Zealand anyway is not often requested by our doctors, and we actually have to go and get it and pay for it ourselves with our local lab testing. So that really blew my mind because how many women are going through this and don't get the tests to actually know what is going on in their body.
Dr Lucy Burns (14:15) Yeah, absolutely. And, look, a lot of people, including medical professionals, and health professionals, don't always understand insulin resistance and what we call hyperinsulinemia, which is just a fancy way to say high blood insulin levels. And they don't necessarily know what they can do about it. And so quite often they think, well, there's no point testing because what can we do about it? Yet we see phenomenal reversing of insulin resistance when people change their lifestyle. Now, you know, I always say to people it's not a kind of a cure because a cure implies that you do a treatment and then it will never come back. I always say to people it's the way that you can manage it easily with a lifestyle, but you have to keep doing the lifestyle. Yes, that's the challenging part. It is. But, again, that's the thing that that's what people learn, how to maintain this lifestyle, not just for a week or four weeks or a 12-week challenge, but, you know, long term. And the thing we always say, which you will have heard us say now many times, is it doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be consistent. So I love that. So for you then, you've been, what are we, up to about eight, not ten, I don't know when you started, 12 weeks ago maybe now?
Jackie Curry (16:00) Yeah, it would be around ten weeks that I've totally changed my eating. Going back to the conference, after having the lightbulb moment and then one of my good friends who was also at the conference, she sent me the screenshots of the lists, you know, the green, the orange and the red, and I read them. And because I'd already had this aha moment, I mean, I signed up to your program because I was like, yes, I'm going to do this. And then I just drastically, like I remember clearly it was on a Friday, I just literally took those lists and I said, okay, this is it. I'm going to start eating off the green list. I'm going to start cutting the red list. You know, I started and I didn't listen to all the videos yet. So then, you know, within like three days I started having, you know, going through the sugar withdrawals, having the headaches and that sugar, was it the flu kind of symptoms or, you know, not feeling well as I, you know, drastically just like that cut out the sugar and the carbs. But I do want to say that the biggest insight as well was understanding that cutting the sugar wasn't enough, understanding how you and Dr Mary explain around how carbs also convert to glucose, you know, that type of, you know, really crucial information. So then you understand the why. I think for a lot of people when they cut stuff out, they don't understand why they're doing it or what they're trying to achieve besides weight loss, you know. And so it really motivated me to understand why, you know, for my body, why I need to cut these things out. And also really focusing on like not just the goal of weight loss, but the goal of good health and thinking ahead to 10 years, 20 years, thinking, you know, the stage of life I'm in now, I have young adult, my children are young adults, you know. I'm going to be like, you know, hopefully, God blesses me to be a grandparent one day. And I thought of my grandmother actually. She's 94 and she's a great-grandmother. I thought that's my goal. I want to be like grandma. I want to be surrounded by my grandchildren, and my great-grandchildren, and that's what motivated me. And to be honest, after reflecting, because my grandma talks a lot to us openly about health and what she eats, and she always says to me, I don't really like sugary things. I don't like sweet things. And, yeah, I mean, this is like what's motivating me, like cutting, going back to the lists, the green, the red, and the orange. That's what's kept me going because it hasn't been easy to cut out carbs, and I love sugar. If anyone knows me, I love chocolate. Chocolate is my thing. But what got me with the chocolate was one of the videos that you said about how marketing and I have a degree in marketing, so I understand the psychology of marketing. When you talked about how from a young age we have been, like, subconsciously convinced and, like, it's deep in our subconscious that, you know, chocolate makes me feel better. Chocolate is, you know, like I deserve chocolate. And all of that stuff, I was like, oh, my gosh, that's so true. Like, I mean, that's just one example of, you know, some of the videos that you guys have to not just teach us this is what you need to do, but the subconscious stuff and the mindset, you know, that helps you get through those really tough times where you're in the supermarket and you're hungry or you're tired, and, like, the chocolate, it's right there, right?
Dr Lucy Burns (22:58) Do you know what I love that you've just described there, Jackie? You've described a number of really, really helpful tools that people might be able to utilise themselves. So one is you've really identified your why. Like, why are you doing this? What is the drive for you? And as you said, it's not to fit into a size 10 pair of pants. Weight loss is a nice bonus, but it's not the driver. And for many of us, we were conditioned that, you know, being smaller, thinner was better. And so that was our driver, but it's not enough. It needs to be something deeper. And as you've said, I mean, you were pretty emotional when you were talking about it, but that image that you've got of you as a grandma with all the children around you and just living this beautiful, happy, healthy life because medicine, we are very good at keeping people alive now for a long time, but the quality of life isn't always there and we really focus now on trying to improve our health span, not just our lifespan, so that you can, you know, play and talk and chat with these beautiful grandchildren and, you know, that you're a vibrant part of their lives rather than being, you know, some old grandma in a bed that can't speak. That's no fun. So I love that. So that's step one is definitely finding your why. Step two I love is that you just took action. Like it was a massive imperfect action, my favourite type, where you went, God, I haven't even got the program yet, but I'm starting. And so you just were so determined and you just started. And I love that. I think that sometimes we over plan, like we spend all this time sort of procrastinating and pontificating and thinking about it, but you just cracked on and, you know, got started. And then the third thing is recognising that you know, you're a doer. However, like all doers, we have also been, you know, we've got some subconscious programming around food and the relationship with food and what food actually means other than just, you know, something to satisfy hunger. And we have to unravel that a bit and rewrite those stories around what food means for us. So I think you're doing that. Like it's fantastic.
Jackie Curry (25:27) Yes. I mean, it hasn't been easy. When you're around like family things or even just generally dinner, you know, you've got to make your portions like enough to satisfy you. And I've just realised how much of how we fill ourselves with carbs to satisfy our hunger. So when you cut it out, you've really got to think about more what you're eating and especially the protein portion so that you feel satisfied.
Dr Lucy Burns (26:00) Yeah, I think it is tricky. But, again, I think this is where you can think about mindset management around this. So a couple of things happen. Over time, particularly once your woodshed opens, your hunger decreases and the amount of food that you actually need is less because you've got access to your own stored fat, so you can just burn that. And I have this lovely vision that I will do sometimes using the woodshed analogy, which is, you know, sometimes you go, I'm a bit hungry, and then you go, I'll just do this X, Y and Z thing and then I'll go and get something to eat. And by the time you've done what you were going to do, you're sort of not hungry anymore. And so in my mind, I've got this beautiful vision of my body that has just gone, oh, well, we need some fuel. Why don't we just get a log and put it on the fire and we'll burn that and suddenly you're not hungry again? So hunger does settle. There are some extra tricks that we can do, which is a little bit harder when we're out perhaps, but certainly at home, which is the small bowl concept, which is this tricky thing. So as humans, you know, we've also been conditioned to eat everything on our plate. You know, it's rude not to eat everything on your plate. It's wasteful not to eat everything. You know, you shouldn't throw everything out. There's people starving around the world, yada, yada. So we will usually eat everything on the plate, whether we're hungry or not. Often we're not even hungry anymore, but we still put it in. So one of my tips is to say to people, well, get a small bowl. And the deal is if you're still hungry when you're finished, well, then you can go and get another small bowl. Half the time you won't want to do that because you're actually not hungry enough. You can't be bothered to get up off the table and go and get it. The other thing, again, if you're out, you can go and get a second serving if you've got time and just recognise that the satisfaction comes. So one of our three Ps, persistence, patience and perseverance, being some patient, being persistent and just persevering, and you find it all works out beautifully.
Jackie Curry (28:56) Yes. I've definitely found what you're saying, like just waiting, giving it a moment, you know, when you have had a small portion like you feel so hungry. But it's amazing. I've cut so much down on my portions. I'm not starving all the time. When I first started on the program, I knew you also promoted the benefits of fasting. I actually find that now I am totally okay with not even intentionally fasting. I'm totally okay to have my first meal at 12 o'clock. So my morning coffee is more than enough, and, you know, I'll have my first meal, you know, like a nice breakfast of, you know, eggs, you know, like a nice hot breakfast, and it's kind of like a bunch kind of breakfast. And then, you know, after that, I can keep going until I don't need the snacks anymore. And if anything, maybe like just a few nuts. But other than that, like I don't need like the hardcore snacks like you have in some diets six times a day. And then for dinner, like if I've had a good protein-filled lunch, I find that dinner, I can just really eat something quite small and be satisfied. And, you know, just a little bit of meat and some salad or veggies, but definitely like not like a big plate of food. And it's just amazing how after like I think that first week, that's the hard week, but quite quickly your body adjusts, say like within the second or third week. It's just amazing. And it's amazing how far you can push without eating. Because with travelling, one of the challenges of travelling, right, is you're so busy, you're out of your own kitchen, and you're on the go a lot. And it's amazing how far I can push myself now to not eat. Like I can easily not eat and just like snack on nuts until 4 p.m., even 5 sometimes, and then just look forward. And then those times I'm like, okay, now I'm going to have a really nice dinner. And that's when you want to have, you know.
Dr Lucy Burns (31:28) Yeah, absolutely. And I love the concept of being a tiny bit hungry. Like it feels really good to eat when you're properly hungry. We quite often, because lots of us snack all day, you never really get properly hungry again, and you just sort of eat dinner. And it's like whereas if you're a little bit hungry, like again, not so starving that you want to eat your arm, but a little bit hungry, food tastes so good when you're a little bit hungry. Oh, I love this. So, Jackie, I am so happy that you've had your epiphany, that the penny sort of dropped, that you can see the future, you know, future Jackie in 20, 40 years, surrounded by grandchildren, great-grandchildren. You're going to be the matriarch of your family, you know, and a beautiful example to them of health and happiness. What would you say to other people that are thinking if, you know, they might need to make some changes, what would you say to them?
Jackie Curry (32:38) I think the first thing is to learn first, is to get the knowledge. When you actually understand what's going on in your body, and the thing is as well is there's a lot of stuff out there on social media that's targeting, you know, us when it comes to losing weight, and it can feel so tempting to try this, try that. But what I love, like, about learning from you and Dr Mary is that you guys are medical doctors, like, I can trust you guys, and you've given me information that really makes sense. And once I have that information, you know, now I can do something with it. So I think the first step is to find out what's actually going on in your body. And like you've mentioned, two women side-by-side at a gym might be going through different things. So for me, when you, going back to the conference, when you spoke about the symptoms of insulin resistance, straight away I recognised them. I remember correctly you mentioned getting skin tags on your neck, you know, the famous muffin tummy, and there was a couple of other things you mentioned.
Dr Lucy Burns (34:03) Yeah, there was some pigmentation. People can get extra pigmentation under their arms or around their necks or in their groin. And then particularly for women, if you've had gestational diabetes, that is a symptom of insulin resistance, and it's highly likely to present later on as type 2 diabetes unless people take action. And then the other one for women is any history of polycystic ovarian syndrome. That's a disease of insulin resistance. So they're the sort of female things, skin tags, irregular periods, polycystic ovarian syndrome, gestational diabetes, yeah, and then storing your weight around the middle. So I remember people used to always talk about hating fat on their thighs and all of that, but honestly, the pear is a very protective place to store your body fat, whereas the apple, so storing it all around your middle, is not at all protective and quite a harmful place for your body to store its fat.
Jackie Curry (35:10) Absolutely. And also I want to say for women who are 40-plus and going through this is don't just settle and think, especially when you talked about the chronic diseases that come from the body fat around the middle, because I was never satisfied. I thought, no, I need to somehow figure this out before you even talk about the health issues that come from it. So also not settling, like I find with women in our island community because we are known to be bigger, is that sometimes you can get comfortable and just say, oh, I'm getting older, you know, like I'm just going to accept like I've just put on weight and I'm just going to accept it. That's another thing for me is like don't accept it. Like you can take control of your health and think about, like I said before, like think about the longevity of, you know, you want to survive for like 20, 30, 40 more years.
You don't have to like kind of settle for, oh, this is just what happens to us as Pacific Island women. At a certain age, we just put on weight and then it just is what it is and, you know, like it's not a vanity thing, you know. It's actually about your health. And so, you know, not settling for whatever the status quo is and then finding out, doing the tests or whatever you need to do, talking to your doctor and also pushing your doctors as well. Like we have a high trust of doctors as Pacific Island people and sometimes whatever your local GP says, you just like go, okay, well, my doctor says that they must know everything. And it's funny because I mentioned to you, Dr Lucy, my daughter is actually studying at med school at the moment and, you know, we've had a lot of conversations and she's like, you know what, Mommy, like what I'm learning is that doctors don't know everything. We learn as much as we can, but that's what she's been learning in med school is that, you know, like you learn as much as you can as a doctor and particularly for, you know, GPs, they don't know everything but they know enough to be able to treat you at that moment. So also challenging your doctors as well or getting second opinions, like not just saying, well, my doctor said I don't need an insulin resistance test, for example. Well, what is that? I don't think you need that as a woman. Like I don't see any risks of diabetes in your medical history and then just shutting you down. Like it's your health, it's your body. I mean, think about it. Doctors only have 15 minutes usually allocated. They've got to get to the next patient. So you also have to take responsibility and advocate for yourself that no, like I want to do more, I want to do more tests and, you know, find amazing programs outside of your normal GPs like Dr Lucy and Dr Mary where you can get that extra support from specialists. Like I love that you and Dr Mary specialise in this area. You specialise in metabolic health and you specialise in health for women. So finding like specialists or doctors that actually specialise in women's health as well to me is important because even just because a doctor is a woman as well doesn't mean she's a specialist in women's health. This is, you know.
Dr Lucy Burns (39:10) Yeah, absolutely. And do you know what I think is you're right? I mean, in general practice we have an incredible breadth of knowledge. Most of us know lots of things about most things or a little bit about most things, but I will be the first person to tell you that I don't know very much about, say, back pain, for example, or I'm not super skilled in skin rashes unless they pertain to metabolic health, in which case I can then identify them. But I took on extra training, as did Dr Mary, on metabolic health, nutrition, lifestyle in particular, and the incredible benefits that lifestyle can take. But then it's about being able to impart that knowledge, so being able to motivate and help somebody move, particularly if they're stuck. So I don't mean physically move. I mean sort of move into that next level of being motivated and committed to their health changes. So, as you said, people don't just settle and think, oh, this is my lot in life, because if you do that, the path to chronic disease is not pleasant.
Jackie Curry (40:25) Yes, and then when I mean, I've seen some of my, like I said, older women in my family, when they get there, then again it's just like, oh, well, I have diabetes, or oh, well, I have heart disease, or I have to remove my pancreas. You know, there's all these things that I'm seeing women in their 70s, for example, and then it's just, again, like a settling. Like, oh, well, this is just what I have. I just have to have this operation. I just have to take 10 pills a day because that's just how it is. But I'm realising through what I'm learning from you and Dr Mary is you can take control and you can start working on it now so that come 60s, 70s, you know, you've prepared your body for that time so that you're hopefully going to have to go through those things. Yeah, but I think the final advice is, like what you said before, is like having a long-term goal beyond just losing weight. You know, like I shared, you know, my presentation at Female Future was about the significant women in my life, my, you know, older grandmothers and aunties and influential women. So it's like I feel like for Pacific women that are listed, that will inspire you. It's like don't just focus on yourself. Think about, you know, the older women that inspire you or, you know, you love and adore in your life. And think about whether you wouldn't want them to have the best health just like your children and future grandchildren would want you to be in because if you're in the best health, you can then be like the best, you know, mother, grandmother, great grandmother. I mean, going back to the Moana movie, you know, that scene with the grandmother that comes back and inspires Moana to keep going, you know, that's what our matriarchs of our families do, right? But isn't it so much better to be able to inspire in real life and not from the grief? It’s hard to see that but this is what I’ve realised, I’m blessed, my grandmother, who’s my children’s great-grandmother, took care of her health without even knowing all this information. But you know she comes from a generation that wasn’t influenced so much as we are with all the food choices and spent most of her life in Samoa with this much bit of food. But again that’s the long term, thinking about dont you wanna be your inspiration but be an inspiration, alive and well and not in and out of the hospital, just living you best of your life all the way to your 90’s
Dr Lucy Burns (44:15) I love that. Ah, Jackie, this has been wonderful. I think that you are amazing. You're an amazing role model both, you know, as a working woman, a mother, and now, you know, health guru who's going to inspire. You know, I often think we can lead by actions, which is exactly what you're doing. So thank you so much for sharing your story on our podcast. I really appreciate it.
Jackie Curry (44:42) No worries, Dr Lucy. Thank you so much. I really appreciate what you do. Keep doing what you do because it blesses women like myself and so many others. So thank you for what you and Dr Mary have committed to in your business, and your life purpose. So thank you.
Dr Lucy Burns (45:07) Absolutely. You are welcome. All right, gorgeous listeners, that's enough from us this week. I will be back next week with another episode of the Real Health and Weight Loss Podcast. I'll talk to you then. Bye for now.
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