HOW TO DO HAPPY (PART-2)
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Episode 253:
Show Notes
In this episode of The Real Health and Weight Loss Podcast, Dr Lucy Burns continues her conversation with Dr Gihan Jayaweera (aka Dr G), diving deeper into the powerful connection between mindset, happiness, and the impact of modern technology on our daily lives.
- Reflection on Simpler Times
Dr G shares his experience volunteering in Vietnam with Habitat for Humanity, where life was slower, simpler, and free from screens. He contrasts this with the tech-driven, regimented lifestyles we often lead today. - Technology Addiction
Dr Lucy discusses her love-hate relationship with devices, acknowledging their convenience but also how they can contribute to an addictive, non-intentional way of living. Both hosts reflect on how technology influences productivity, relationships, and overall well-being. - The Importance of Balance
Dr Lucy emphasises the importance of finding a “Goldilocks” balance in life—neither too extreme nor too neglectful, whether it’s food, exercise, or tech habits. She uses the analogy of “lane assist” to explain how small adjustments can help you stay on track in different areas of life. - Challenging Beliefs
Dr G talks about the importance of challenging outdated beliefs, using his own experience of transforming into a “gym guy” after rethinking his beliefs about fitness. He highlights the importance of intentionality and priming your mind to focus on what truly matters. - Framework for Happiness
Dr G introduces his feel-think-do model from his book Do Happy, explaining how feelings, thoughts, and actions are interconnected. He advocates for focusing on actionable steps like exercising, practicing gratitude, and spending quality time with loved ones as ways to increase happiness. - Reframing Challenges
Both hosts discuss how reframing challenges like weight loss or mental health management as achievable goals (rather than insurmountable obstacles) can help you feel more empowered. They share how adjusting your perspective can lead to recognising small victories along the way. - Navigating Digital Environments
Dr G advises setting clear boundaries before engaging with digital spaces. He shares strategies like priming your mind to focus on specific goals and being intentional about your consumption to avoid feeling overwhelmed by technology. - Happiness as Action
Happiness isn’t just a fleeting emotion—it’s about taking intentional actions that lead to a rich and meaningful life. Dr G explains three levels of action—physical, psychological, and perspectival—that can help individuals own their happiness and well-being. -
Links to Check Out
📘 Do Happy – New book is out! Check it out here
🌐 Website: drgihan.com
💼 LinkedIn: Dr Gihan Jayaweera ‘Dr G’
Episode 253:
Transcript
Dr Mary Barson (0:04) Hello, my lovely friends. I am Dr Mary Barson.
Dr Lucy Burns (0:09) And I'm Dr Lucy Burns. We are doctors and weight management and metabolic health experts.
Both (0:12) And this is the Real Health and Weight Loss podcast!
Dr Lucy Burns (0:21) Welcome back to part two of this energising convo with the fabulous Dr G. If part one got you thinking, part two will get you doing. Today, we're diving into the magic of mindset—one of my favourite topics. How your thoughts, feelings, and actions shape your happiness, and how to hack that loop for good. We wrapped up part one chatting about our modern-day tech addictions and the constant pull of our devices. In part two, Dr G picks up the thread with a story from a simpler time—on a volunteering trip to Vietnam, where connection looked a little different and rest came without screens.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (01:06) Quite a few years ago, my friend and I went on a volunteering trip to Vietnam, and it was awesome. We built a house through Habitat for Humanity. They had local builders come and help us. They taught us how to lay bricks and everything. And then in the afternoon, we all had a nap. There was this old temple there, so we all had a nap, then went back to work. It was so much more relaxed. They were just lying in their hammocks. Sometimes they might go and fish. It was a really relaxed, slow pace. But that’s not our benchmark here, right? It’s completely different. Everything is scheduled, calendared—so regimented.
Dr Lucy Burns (01:46) And then, unfortunately, during the downtime when we could be doing a quick meditation snack, we end up doing a quick scroll instead. It’s hard. I’m completely addicted to my device. You know, I’ve got this love-hate relationship with it. I would love to never use it again. And like lots of people, I go through the whole 180—“I’m never doing this again”—and feel like throwing it away. And then I think, oh, my phone, what am I going to do without it? I quickly order some shopping to be delivered by Woolies by some other person. These devices have so many benefits in terms of convenience, but they also come with a whole heap of baggage.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (02:28) It doesn’t seem to be slowing down, Lucy. It really does not seem to be slowing down. I was driving this morning, and I saw—let me see, in my mind’s eye—one, two, three, five high school students, all existing next to each other but on their phones. And I think, I was born in the wrong time. Sometimes I really think that. But at the same time, it’s pretty cool. We connected because of technology, right? We first connected on LinkedIn.
Dr Lucy Burns (03:01) Yeah, absolutely.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (03:02) I don't know. I don't know.
Dr Lucy Burns (03:04) Yeah, it’s like everything—there are pros and cons, aren’t there? I think, again, as a metaphor for life, it’s never about nothing. Like, it’s not all or nothing. There’s always a Goldilocks bit. And this honestly applies to everything. With everything, there’s just the right amount. The problem is, most of us spend a bit of time over here—where there’s probably too much of something. If we can just dial it back a bit, we’ll get to that “just the right amount” space. I use an analogy a lot, particularly around food for me. Food used to be, you know, dietland. I was either perfectly on a diet—eating lettuce and carrots—or I was on a bender, eating donuts and chocolate and everything else I could fit in before I went back on a diet. So I describe it like careering down the road of life: I was either perfect or on a bender. And now I stay in the middle, and I use a bit of lane assist. So, if I start to veer off, I can just pull it back a bit—no huge swings. But again, it’s still about working on that mindset. I’ve sorted it around food, but it’s still a challenge when it comes to things like devices. My brain still wants to go, “Throw it off the cliff! You never want to use it again!” Lane assist is something you can apply to any part of your regime. And I’m sure—well, I don’t know—exercise, I’ve probably never been one to over-exercise. That’s always been my thing. Come on, how do you go? But I do know some people who do over-exercise. Then they get tired, then they injure themselves, and so they end up doing nothing.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (04:43) You've talked about the middle way a few times. That seems important to you.
Dr Lucy Burns (04:46) Yeah, I think it's interesting. Certainly, what I see happening, particularly on social media and not even mainstream media, is the idea of tribalism and getting people into your view or your ideology or your way. It's kind of like your way is the only way and, therefore, if that's the belief, then every other way must be wrong. And I really don't like that because I think what it does is it excludes people. And, again, you look at things like, I'm pretty, as I'm sure you are, pretty anti-processed food, but I used to eat a lot of it. I drank a lot of Diet Coke for a long, long time. I ate quite a lot of donuts because, you know, if you eat a donut, if you have Diet Coke, you've got room for a donut. There was lots of processed food stuff going on. Now I hardly eat any processed food, but I also recognise that there are still people who do, and I think what happens is people, if they feel like they're being judged for not being perfect, then they do nothing because what's the point? And it's not that I believe in everything in moderation because I also think that's a rubbish sentence. Like, what does that even mean, everything in moderation? Well, not everything in moderation because that's actually not true. That's why, you know, in pregnancy we don't drink alcohol in moderation, like we don't smoke in moderation. There are lots of things that we shouldn't actually do in moderation. But I think what we do is think broadly about why people do the things they do, not what they're doing, but why are they doing it? Because at the end of the day, even if you're doing things that don't serve you well, like staying up at night watching TV until 3am, there's always some part of you that is getting some benefit out of that. And I think that lots of people, lots of polarising influences, have no understanding of that at all and just go, well, you know, it's not working for you because you're not doing it my way. So, that's your fault.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (07:03) I think having a framework to navigate the digital environment is not only useful, but I think if you're going to be in this digital environment, you have to have, like, before you log in, there needs to be some sort of, I guess, boundaries set, at least internal boundaries. I think one thing for me these days is I was consuming so much content, and all of it was great, like a lot of entrepreneurship stuff. But then it can be a lot of noise, a lot of noise. And for me, at least as someone who does contribute to this digital environment and is often in conflict as a result, one thing that's been useful for me is, number one, as someone who creates stuff, to create before I consume. And the second thing is to have an intention as to why I'm going into this digital environment to consume. You know, am I looking for inspiration? Am I looking for information? Am I just bored? You know, whatever it is. But as long as there's some intentionality to it, that's been incredibly helpful for me because it primes the mind. When my mind is primed to look for something, it's much easier to filter out the noise because I'm looking for something. I know what I'm looking for. I'm much more intentional. Not all the time, but it's been a much healthier practice for me. So I've been so obsessed with this priming thing. So I had my nieces and nephews in the car, and they were like, "Let's play find the orange car. Whoever finds the orange car wins." And I was like, "Okay, let's do this." Because in my mind, I was like, "Who drives orange cars? Do you drive an orange car?"
Dr Lucy Burns (08:58) I did.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (08:59) Apologies if that's the case.
Dr Lucy Burns (09:00) No, no, I did in uni.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (09:04) In my mind, I was like, "Who drives orange cars?" Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then before we hit the first intersection, we had seen three because our mind was primed to it. And then one of my nieces was like, "Let's try pink." I was like, "We're not going to see a pink car." And that day we did. But a few weeks later, we saw a pink car. And then yesterday, we saw this bright pink cement truck.
Dr Lucy Burns (09:26) Ah, yes, yes, yes.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (09:29) The point is, we saw it because we were looking for it. So the value of priming your mind before you get into any environment, really, has been incredibly valuable for me. And I think it's much healthier.
Dr Lucy Burns (09:43) Yes. Yes, I totally agree. And I love that. And I think you're right. You need to be conscious of that reticular activating system, which is the part of the brain that looks for what you're looking for and notices what you're looking for from the conscious mind. And it's really interesting because if we're not aware of that, that's how we can sabotage our efforts too, where you start thinking everything's hard. And, again, we help a lot of people manage their weight. And, you know, weight loss is hard. But the story is that it's really hard. Like people talk about the battle, their battle with their weight. They struggle with obesity. Like it's the war. And so you go in and you've already decided it's going to be hard. And so, therefore, it often is hard. If we say to people weight loss is easy, well, of course, that's actually too far the other way. They go, what? Well, it's not easy. Like if it was easy, everyone would do it. And I get it. But it's about making it easier. What can I do to make it easy? Because who wants to do hard?
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (10:52) Yeah, yeah. Reframing it, reframing it.
Dr Lucy Burns (10:55) Yeah, which is one of the things that you do in your book, coming back to your book
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (10:59) Yeah. I mean, I am so interested in thoughts and beliefs and how that priming happens automatically. Like it's happening all the time. And I think bringing some awareness to it and bringing some intentionality to it can only be valuable. For example, even with health, I'll give you a silly example. So I used to do jiu-jitsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, because although I love health, I also love to apparently see people fight in a cage and hurt themselves. But I was doing jiu-jitsu, and I was in a headlock, looked up, and something immediately went in my neck. I was like, this is not good. And three to four years later, it's still a bit stiff and still sometimes gives me pain. I've seen all these physios, I've done all the work, and then eventually I listened to this podcast by an orthopedic surgeon who was in India. He was talking about relieving neck and back pain by going to the gym and building muscle. And it made so much sense to me. But for me, I've always had this belief that I wasn't a gym guy. I never even questioned it. I just wasn't a gym guy. I'll explicitly say I'm the skinny, malnourished Sri Lankan guy. That's me. That's my build. And as a result, I never entertained the gym. And I heard that podcast, and overnight, within an instant, I was like, that makes sense. I signed up for the gym. Since then, I've been going so regularly, like four to five times a week. But in my mind, I'm the gym guy now. I love the gym. So just really reflecting and questioning beliefs and wondering whether they're serving us, you know, because beliefs are not fixed. They can be chosen and they can be adopted. So for one of your patients who believes that weight loss is impossible, it's a war, we have to choose better beliefs because that's going to be true.
Dr Lucy Burns (13:11) Yeah, absolutely, yes. I think it's Henry Ford who said, "Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right."
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (13:18) So true.
Dr Lucy Burns (13:19) So true. There's a tiny little book, a great little book by a guy who's a motivational speaker called Chris Helder, and the book is called The Most Useful Belief. And it was really good. It's a great, again, someone gave it to me, but you can read it in about half an hour. In fact, he often jokes. He goes, "It's not really a book, it's a pamphlet." But it really challenges the idea that you don't have to believe what you've always believed. And I often talk about, like, when you're little, you know, most Australian kids will believe in Father Christmas or Santa. When we believe this, there's all this confirming evidence for it. We see, you know, we go to the shops, we see him. You know, back in the olden days, you had to write a letter to him and somebody posted it to nowhere. But, you know, these days you can track him on the internet. Like, there's all of this stuff proving that he's true. There's reindeer footprints. There's all of this stuff. And then, over time, obviously society doesn't want 25-year-olds believing in Santa anymore. So we sort of systemically dismantle the belief. And kids, you know, it can be confronting. Like, they often, you know, and their initial thought is, "No, he is, it's true. He is real." Like, they don't believe that he couldn't be. So your initial belief, whenever you challenge one of your underlying beliefs, is always, "Oh, no, no, that can't be right." And if you're looking for confirmation of your belief, you'll probably find it.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (15:00) You'll absolutely find it.
Dr Lucy Burns (15:02) But if you're wanting to challenge it, you'll also look for contrary evidence that it doesn't have to be true either.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (15:09) Yep, yep. I love where this conversation is going. It's been a fairly recent thing where I've actively started digging into all these beliefs that I have, you know, about money, about relationships, about happiness, about health. And, boy, have I found a bunch of stuff that's outdated. Like even this belief of what I consider a belief, "Oh, I'm busy," or "I don't have the time to insert a dream," you know, that's just a belief. And when you really look into it, like there are better beliefs. There are better beliefs. And people, and one question that I love that I actually got from Dan Martell, who's an entrepreneur in Canada, is you state your belief, you write down whether, like you question, is it true, and you question, "What else could I believe that's more useful?" You know. And going through that process, and it's fascinating. It's fascinating because we're on autopilot for most of our lives, you know. And interestingly, what I would add to that is although this is sort of in the personal development space generally, I find the work I'm doing on myself for this stuff is really helping my patients as well because we can go through this stuff and, you know, we're sort of on this journey together, if you will, just battling different things.
Dr Lucy Burns (16:43) Yeah, totally. I think when you work on your own beliefs, your own, and the, you know, the CBT model, which I totally do love—that thought, feeling, action—you realise that the action of yelling, you know, at your kids or yelling at the, you know, not that I ever yelled per se at staff at work, but I might have wanted to. And so my brain wanted to, but my frontal lobe said, no, that's not acceptable. But it still didn't take away that’s what I wanted to do because I was reactive. And why was I reactive? Because my thoughts were this mishmash of stuff that actually, in the end, wasn't even really true. So really developing that awareness, isn't it, of your brain and its little circular thought processes, which then give you your feelings, which, you know, usually determine your reactions or your outcome, your behaviours.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (17:45) The whole premise of my book is based around this model, the feel, think, do model. And I spoke to you at the start about not having the vocabulary to describe what was going on. Even as I was building the solution, building that skill of happiness, I still didn't quite have the vocabulary to bring it all together. It was all sort of like puzzle pieces, but they weren't all coming together. Then I saw this model and I thought, oh, wow, this actually brings everything together quite well. So the premise is quite simple. What we feel, what we think, and what we do, they're all linked. So what we feel affects what we think and what we do. And the cool thing is, what we think affects what we feel and what we do, and what we do affects what we feel and what we think. So they're all linked. However, although they're all linked, they're not created equally. And what distinguishes them is control. So, can we control how we feel?
Dr Lucy Burns (18:54) Good question. I think we try to.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (18:59) Definitely try to.
Dr Lucy Burns (19:00) Yeah. And I think you can probably change how you feel depending on how you think and what you do, but the initial feeling is the feeling.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (19:14) So, yes, you can influence the feelings through the back door, through the thinking and the action, but you can't just change it. You can't switch it on and off. And if we could, there wouldn't be any problem. Someone who's feeling unhappy, you’d just tell them to feel happy. End of story. No book. Don't worry about my book. Don't read it. There's no book, right? That's not how it is. You can't control it. Our thoughts. Now, this is a bit more nuanced. So can we control it to a certain extent? Yes. Our conscious thinking, we absolutely can. So if I asked you to think of a fluorescent pink giraffe on roller skates, you're probably thinking of that beautiful specimen right now, right? So we can control our thinking to a certain extent. But there is that sort of unconscious thought, which is paradoxical in that if we try to control it, it becomes louder and more intense. And then action, what we do, assuming capacity, we can control that.
Dr Lucy Burns (20:16) Yes.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (20:18) Right. So although they're all linked, they're not created equally. And this whole concept of doing happy is about control—like taking this happiness game into our own hands, taking full personal ownership. And the way that we do that is by doing happy, which is focusing on action. I think there are three levels of action that I go through in my book: the first is physical action, which is the fundamentals of doing happy. So that's all the basics. It's common sense, but not common practice—exercising, eating well, spending time in nature, spending time with people you love, doing gratitude, all that sort of stuff. The basics, but still super significant. So doing happy in that sense, if you just did that, you'd probably be better. But maybe that's all you need for a lot of people. Because when I see patients and they're feeling unhappy, anxious, depressed—insert whatever the unhappy feeling is—usually they're not doing happy. They're doing that thing. They're doing the anxiety. They're doing the stress.
Dr Lucy Burns (21:33) They're doing the scrolling.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (21:34) I didn't want to say it, but yes. And they're also thinking the thing. They're thinking the anxiety as well. So we can take control and ownership of this by focusing on what we can control. That's the powerful thing. So this is why I wanted to talk about compasses. So often, because they're all linked, it's really useful to consider, well, what's driving our actions? And for most of us, it's our feelings. And the thing with feelings is they come and go. And generally, unpleasant feelings like fear, anxiety, stress, worry, all these sorts of unpleasant feelings drive us to do things that are not actually serving us. So when we use our sort of feelings in the moment as a compass for what we should do, we get very haphazard results. It's a risk because you're relying on something that's unpredictable. So I'm a big fan of changing that compass. So we can still use feelings as a compass, but we need to add a little bit of thinking and doing to it. And one of my favourite questions is, well, what would I rather feel? So let's say if I'm feeling anxious and I ask myself, well, what would I rather feel? It might be peace. Then you start questioning, well, what would someone who's at peace think? For some reason, when you ask a question, the brain wants to fill that void. It wants to answer it. It's like a phone that rings. You want to answer it, right? So you get all these answers. Oh, maybe a peaceful person is not actually thinking about anything, which is good. Or they're thinking about gratitude, whatever it is. And what would they be doing? Okay, they might be sipping a cup of tea outside on the porch instead of doom scrolling. And then you can just go do the thing. Yeah. Right. And you may or may not feel peace, or you may or may not feel better. But you are living a definition. You're starting to live a definition of happiness, and you're starting to take ownership of your mental health in a way that you can control it. So Russ Harris' amazing book, The Happiness Trap. Once in a while, you get a book where you just highlight everything and you're like, well, this is not useful, but it also suggests that this guy has written a very good book. That was one of these books for me. And he defines happiness as living a life that is full, rich, and meaningful. And what I would add to that is happiness is the actions that contribute to a full, rich, and meaningful life. That way you have control over what I consider unbiased, but I consider all parts lead to happiness. Why we do anything is eventually to lead us to some sort of happiness. And I do not like leaving it to chance.
Dr Lucy Burns (24:31) Yeah.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (24:32) And then the question becomes, well, what are the actions? So you could use feelings as a compass and then reverse-engineer the actions. You can use results, like, what are the results I want out of my life? And then reverse-engineer the actions. Or you can use your values and reverse-engineer your actions. And the beauty of this is you get to have it all. Like, in my mind, if that's how you define happiness, because most of the time we define happiness as a feeling, right? Even if you look in the Oxford Dictionary, it's a positive emotional state defined by things like joy, peace, and satisfaction. But by definition, feelings are fleeting. So if you define happiness as a feeling, then you succumb to happiness being fleeting as well. And in my world, that's unacceptable. I was, like, trying to reverse-engineer, like, what would it look like to be happy all the time? And for me, this is it. This is it. You focus on what you can control. And there are the three levels of action, which are physical action, psychological action, and perspectival action. That was my long way of saying you have to be very careful what we use as our compass to drive our behaviour, because our behaviour will lead to the results in our life. Usually, even me, having written the book about it, it's still easy to just react to what we're feeling at any given moment. But the behaviours it drives may or may not be serving us.
Dr Lucy Burns (26:09) Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I mean, you're right. It's absolutely thoughts, feelings, actions, and results in one form or another, of those combinations or order. And the idea, I like, of being able to reverse-engineer. If you've got a result that you want, what do I need to think, feel, or do to get that result? It's interesting. Lots of people, I think, will just focus on the 'do.' I need to do this to get that result, but then they wonder why they're not doing it. It's like, well, that's because you haven't gone that next bit, which is your thoughts and your feelings. That's what's driving your behaviour or your doing. So, yeah, knowing that you can actually dip in and out at any time in that model works super well. I love that. It's great.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (26:52) Yeah, yeah. Back at school, we had to read Hatchet. I don't know if you've ever read Hatchet.
Dr Lucy Burns (26:58) No.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (26:59) So I hated all the books at school because they were just kind of boring. Hatchet was okay. It wasn't great, but it was okay. It was about this 15-year-old kid named Brian. He's on a plane to visit his family, and it crashes in the middle of the jungle. He's the only survivor, and he needs to learn to, like, get a hatchet and he learns to, like, fend for himself essentially. And one of the things he does is eat; he spear fishes. So he makes his own spear. He goes to the water. He can see the fish right there. He aims his spear and he tries to hit the fish exactly where he sees it, and every time he misses. Why does he miss?
Dr Lucy Burns (27:40) Because of the refraction error.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (27:42) Yes.
Dr Lucy Burns (27:43) Yes.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (27:44) Oh, fellow nerd. Yes.
Dr Lucy Burns (27:46) Yes.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (27:47) So, because he's not accounting for the refraction of light, once he realised that when he aims to the right and above, he gets the fish. Happiness is a lot like that. I think people are aiming directly at the fish, the feelings, and if we aim to the right and up, the thoughts and the actions, you might find that you get the thing that you were trying to catch.
Dr Lucy Burns (28:13) Indeed. Yes, indeed. And at the end of the day, I kind of love your way of thinking that happiness is not just a feeling; it's much more encompassing. I kind of think that, at the end of the day, everyone just wants to feel better—better than where they were, you know, whether that's less anxious, less tired, less bloated, or less grumpy. You just want to feel better. And I think that your book is a great roadmap for that outcome.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (28:47) I hope so.
Dr Lucy Burns (28:49) It has. Dr G, if people want to connect with you, how do they do that?
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (28:55) Website is Dr G, Dr G at drgihan.com. I write quite regularly, so there are a lot of articles there, if you're interested. I'm quite active on LinkedIn. These days, I write something every day because I love writing and I love the challenge of posting something valuable to the world. So if you want to connect with me on LinkedIn, please reach out, and maybe with the subject line 'Lucy,' so I know where you're coming from. And if you're a lifestyle medicine practitioner, please do reach out because I hope it came across in our conversation that I am a big believer in lifestyle medicine, and I also love entrepreneurship. I believe we are at the early stages of a movement that's just going to snowball into something really beautiful. I believe that once we connect our lifestyle medicine expertise with basic business skills, particularly things like marketing, it's going to be the ultimate rocket fuel for this movement. So if anyone wants help with that, I would love to help you.
Dr Lucy Burns (30:08) Oh, wonderful. And if you're driving, don't stop. When you get to your destination, all of Dr G's links will be in the show notes, so you can easily look him up and connect with him because he's fabulous.
Dr Gihan Jayaweera (30:24) Thank you, Lucy. You are equally, if not more, fabulous. So thank you so much.
Dr Lucy Burns (30:28) You're very kind and happy. All right, lovely friends, that's it for us. We will talk to you all next week. Have the most spectacular and hopefully awesomely happy week. Bye for now.
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